Greetings,
For our final class blog, please consider the following set of questions and first respond any or all parts:
Do all human beings have fundamental rights, and if so then what are our rights and how should we protect them?
Should the government ensure that our ‘fundamental rights’ are protected, or can they leave it up to workers and employers to leave the average citizen with enough money and benefits to enjoy these 'rights?'
Since employees consent to working contracts, should they alone be responsible to make the best possible decisions that would cover their fundamental rights? Why or why not?
Next, please read the excerpted article below and then post a second response any of the above questions. You may also comment on your classmate's posts as you wish.
Thank you!
Florence
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“Intrinsic worth, consent, and coercion in economic contexts.”
By Maureen O'Danu
http://odanu.livejournal.com/320684.html Nov. 14th, 2007 at 1:01 PM
I think that perhaps the most fundamental concept in liberalism (or progressivism) is that human life has intrinsic value beyond whatever economic goods or public goods an individual contributes to the world. A natural corellary of this is that since human life has intrinsic value, those things which sustain human life are rights, not privileges. These rights exist in cultural and local contexts, but they can be broken down pretty easily into those things in the bottom rung or two of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Humans, in this conception, have the right to breatheable air, food, drinkable water, the ability to bathe and void bladder and bowel in a sanitary manner, access to preventative, maintenance, and emergency health care, and a right to housing and body coverings that protect them from the elements. Further, humans have a right to live unmolested by violent and chaotic environments, and to be educated to the standards of their societies. Finally humans have the right to engage in alliances with other humans for mutual benefit , mate and have offspring or choose not to. Note that, unlike the libertarian concept of rights, most of these are positive rights. Also note that most human societies throughout time, including modern times, grant these rights without question to children, elders, and (to varying degrees) many disabled persons. These rights were implied, but not stated, in the US constitution's preamble, under the cover of "promoting the general welfare". Even earlier, in the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson called it "the pursuit of happiness". Maslow's work was not known then, but it has long been a common conception that in order for a human to pursue or obtain happiness, those needs essential to the continuation of life need to be fulfilled. (Edited to fix rather embarrassing brain fart)
It is only when dealing with able bodied adults (sometimes culturally limited to men) that these rights are not generally assumed. The libertarian stance is that at this point (at least) there is no responsibility of society (in the form of government, even self-selected governments) to ensure these rights, as employment contracts stand on their own to support these rights, and anyone who is not willing (or able) to work forfeits these rights so long as "unable" doesn't include a definition of long term disability. Furthermore, the libertarian stance is that there is no responsibility of an employer to guarantee wages and/or benefits sufficient for the employee to be able to obtain these positive rights in the unfettered market, even when the employee works "full time" or even more than full time. This stance clearly supports a libertarian idea that humans do not have intrinsic worth, but only economic and/or public worth -- that if the market is such that some people are unable to meet the basic needs of humanity while working, it is incumbent upon the individual alone to make some change to himself or his immediate environment (i.e. obtaining more education, doubling up in inexpensive apartments, switching from healthier foods to less expensive but less healthy foods, etc.) in order to meet those basic needs.
In fact, the concepts of "worthy" versus "unworthy" poor have a long political and social history. Interestingly, those who have committed crimes and are sentenced to incarceration are granted, in this sense, more rights than those who cannot obtain a job that pays sufficiently well to meet basic human needs. The libertarian idea of rights is that the employer's right to make profits supercedes the employee's right to be able to survive on the wages offered. A common libertarian defense to this view is that the employee "consents" to the employment contract, and therefore the employer has no further obligation. What is left out of this equation, however, are the coercive effects of the possibilities of starvation, homelessness, and loss of health care access. The cumulative effects of these coercions in the employment market in fact make the employer/employee contract extremely coercive, particularly in cases where geography, incomplete information, or monopolistic or oligarchic situations limit employment choices.
Unions to some extent, when powerful, can mitigate this coercion and create a much more just power structure between employer and employee. It is partially for this reason that corporatists have consistently and continually reviled unions and similar (older) concepts such as guilds, and worked to undermine their power through both legal and exta-legal measures. Corporate "personhood" where the individual liability for illegal decisions made by people in corporations is diffused and weakened, exacerbates the power imbalance, as does the differing ability for corporations and their financiers to contribute to political dialogue as compared to those who work for salaries or hourly wages.
Modern economics likes to treat most humans as replaceable cogs in the free market machine, granting only entrepreneurs, financiers, and corporate leaders actual personhood and "free choice". The rest of us poor slobs are told that we have free choice while one choice after another is taken away by corporate decisions and corporate-driven governmental decisions beyond our control. We are manipulated by corporate driven media, mislead by corporate owned politicians, and mis-used by the corporations themselves, whose loyalty to their stockholders greatly exceeds their loyalty to those who make those stock options possible. Some poor slobs even believe the propaganda, and see themselves as actual or soon to be elites in this new world order. This is, of course, a belief that is encouraged by the elite, if only for their own amusement.
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Yes, I think everyone has basic rights. All humans have basic needs such as food, water and shelter but, we can break that done further. Along with those survival basics, humans have the right to love, eat, sleep, fight, speak... etc. All of us can choose how we want to live, you know whether it be law abiding or not. The gov't does already protect some of our basic rights, hence bill of rights. I don't believe it is just the gov'ts job to protect our rights - we need to take part of that as well. They are OUR rights.
I think all people have basic fundamental rights that shouldn't be taken away from us. These rights are in our nation's constitution. The Constitution says that all men were created equal and were entitled to three rights: life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. These rights are what everyone should have. There are also other rights that the constitution doesn't mention, such as the right to property, the right to happiness, the right to freedom, etc.
yes, i believe that all humans should have fundamental rights. these are god's given rights. all humans should have rights like freedom of speech, religion, education and everybody should be allowed to express themselves. for example a poelpe should be allowed to smoke weed, if is good for their health, you can't denny them their freedom to get high. god created this world, he created drugs like cocaine, weeds e.t.c so we should be allowed to take drugs if we really needed it. is our freedom, and i believe we should use it as we please.
I believe that all humans have fundamental human rights and we should protect them by treating each other with respect.
yes, I believe that all human beings have fundamental rights. We have basic needs of food, water, and shelter. All should have the right to these needs. We also should have other rights, as well. Such as freedom of speech, we should have the right to love one another. The government does protect our rights, in The Bill of Rights. But we, as individuals should also be aware of protecting our own rights, as well.
I mostly agree with the last paragraph that says that we poor people are taken advantage of. These politicians nowadays promise you one thing and then do the complete opposite of what they said they would do. They'll promise people, especially the younger aundience one thing but when it actually coming down to deliver what they promised it all turns out to be a bunch of bullshit. Maybe that's why not a lot of people like politicians!!!
Do all human beings have fundamental rights, and if so then what are our rights and how should we protect them?
I should say yes. just like the artical said we have rights toto breatheable air, food, drinkable water, the ability to bathe and void bladder and bowel in a sanitary manner, access to preventative, maintenance, and emergency health care, and a right to housing and body coverings that protect them from the elements. they are can be our basic rights. in the modern, we already have the almost complete rules and laws to protect our rights. if we lost our rights we can use the laws to help us get what you should have.
I think that every human being should have fundamental rights. Those rights being having access to drinkable water, food, shelter, clothing, and the lavatories. We as the people should be able to protect our rights by taking it up with our government. It is their job to protect and to ensure that we have our rights. Even though at times it doesn’t seem as if they have our best interests at heart and are only looking out for their own wallets! At the same time I feel as though we should all have a say in what big decisions are made about our rights as human beings. But we should have the right to just be who ever we want and shouldn’t have to worry about what others may think about it because this is American it’s a FREE country!
Do all human beings have fundamental rights, and if so then what are our rights and how should we protect them?
Yes, all human beings has fundamental rights. These are rights that would not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs or a particular society or polity. To protect our rights we should just follow the law.
First post
1.) No the government should not be allowed to ensure the protection of our fundamental rights. THey should leave it up to the people to protect it themselves and form groups or qrgainzation to help people protect their fundamental rights as well.
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Second post
2.) Yes all humans have fundamental rights. the rights that were giving to humans was food that humans can eat, drinkable water, the right to shower and clean themselves, and the rights to live, and etc. Human should protect them by not letting anyone tell them what they can and can not do!
The government says that we have fundamental rights but the governments also puts alot of restrictions on people and what they do. You CANT say whatever you want to say to people. That could be considered sexual harrasment. You CANT go where ever u want. The govent supposbly puts all these rules to keep us "Safe". but i think its just a way to make the govnt feel in control. So do i think that we have fundemental right?..Yes but only to a certain extent
If you agree to a working contract than you are responsible for making decision about fundamental rights. If you are not able to make the decision on your own than you shouldnt have agreed to the contract in the first place. Afterall you are the one that decides what you want to do.
I kinda agree with KBurke about the basic rights but the one thing i don't agree with is when she sed it's up to the gov't to protect our rights. It's not up to them to protect because sometimes it's the gov't itself that doesn't help protect our rights. WE need to protect our rights
In a sense, employees should enter into contracts with their basic rights as a concern. It is the employees choice of whether or not to take a job. If said job treats the employee as a machine or slave, taking little notice that the employee is a HUMANBEING, the employee should look for work elsewhere.
In a sense, employees should enter into contracts with their basic rights as a concern. It is the employees choice of whether or not to take a job. If said job treats the employee as a machine or slave, taking little notice that the employee is a HUMANBEING, the employee should look for work elsewhere.
Of corse I bilieve that every humen is intitled to human rights. Those rights are to live, maintain, have liberty, and freedom to exell at life with a strong knowledge of self. in curent times the government should be involved in finance so that the corporations do not controll everything. But at the same time it is almost to late because the corporations do control everything
The government shouldn't do all the work in making sure our 'fundamental rights'are protected. It should be something that everybody works on to ensure that no one has more rights just because they have more money or powerful position.
I think everyone have rights for the fact that everyone does what they please.Life is about commitments but also options every human choose who they want to be by choosing their own path in life.
Yes, the Goverment take action of out rights but is our choice to stand up to what we beleive in.
i think that all human being have fundamental right such as get a freedom, and enjoy a happiness, etc. Because all human is equal when we were born even circumstance is not the same and we all try to make our life better every day for enjoy life and happiness. Thus, in personal, even though many social things such as status, an estate, etc are judged us or make different our life level, we all have equal fundamental rights because all human are equal.
NO, i dont belivenve that workers should be alone be responsible to make the best possible decisions that would cover their fundamental rights. Sometimes certain work places work around the rules and use it at there own advantage. Thus putting the worker in a bad position. The worker should go through all the rights with a lawyer to make sure that they feel that theier rights at that work place is met
i think the gov't should give an average citizen with enough money and benefits to enjoy and live their life and let the citizen decide what they want to do with the money
All humans do not have fundamental rights but it should be granted to each indivdidual. In third world countries and even here in America, people are being denied basic rights like; civil, human,and worker rights. Along with these are evironmental issues that affect those fundamental rights for e.x: not living green, neglecting neighborhoods, the manipulation of big corporations on people and smaller businesses, and etc. It SHOULD be the people elected government to ensure that every citizens' rights are protected from any circumstances but when it comes down to signing yourself off to an employer, you are responsible to secure your own rights as an employee.
I agree with what Colin is saying about the constitution and the rights it gives you. As long as you follow all the rules you should be able to do whatever you want. I think that basic rights keep everybody in line so that things dont get out of hand.
I agree with what Mike said about when someone signs a working contract then they are responsible for the decisions that they make in their working environment in order to cover their fundamental rights. In one way, maybe everyone should be responsible for the decisions that they make in the working environment.
1.I believe that all human beings have fundamental rights, but I think it matters what you do with them. There have been so many documents stating what are rights are for example "The Declaration of Independance","the US Constitution",and "The 27Amendments".
2.I think that the government should be the ones to make the choices to give the people rights because the Gov't has the country's best intrest at heart when it really comes down to it.
3. Well in a way we do get to make choices on our fundemental rights when we vote so to this question the answer is yes.
I definitely agree with Kate that we all have basic needs but at the same time not everyone is allowed that basic need which is wrong. And this is where the government comes into play by not allowing every human being their own rights. I mean we have a lot of poor/ bums in the streets of Boston.
i agree with jong ho, all humans are equal
Human beings definetly should be free to do whatever we want; we have to make sure it affects anyone in a bad way.As human beings i believe we have the right to love and be loved, join any religion of our choice, we should have the right to live, right to move freely across the country, we should have the right to protect our properties and privacy. i believe the government should be part of this to make our right successful but employers need to step in so we are well protected
I agree with the last part in the article because I feel that corporate leaders or people with an importnat job do take advantage of poor people because like sandra said they will promise us one thing and then do something completely different.
I think all humans have fundamental rights. We have the right to freedom, speech, choice of religion, education, life...etc. These are the rights that everyone has and should be able to keep. We should protect these rights by treating individuals equally and with respect.
In a way, I think that the government should ensure these rights because if not, then the people with more money would be unfair to those with less. If it was left to the workers and employers, then it would not be fair because it would be like how it was before during slavery. The rich people had everything they wanted and the poor had to suffer and with labor and they don't even get paid much.
I think employees should have the right to choose what they want instead of having no choice after a working contract. A working contract is reasonable to give, if the employee decides to work there and wants to follow whatever's in the contract.
now that i have read some of the other posts i have decided that what mike said seems right and really is the proper way to go about something like that issue.
Everyone choose what they want to sign. if someone made a decision on signing a contract they dont beleive in and probably isnt going to follow is going to your responsibility as an employee to deal with the consequences. Basically dont sign nothing you aint sure about because after it isnt going to be under your hands.
I agree with Veasna... We all so have fundamental rights and we should protect them by following the law.
tmt sais that the government should not be alowd to protect the workers rights but it should be up to the people to organise to protect themselves. I would agree with this statement if it wornt for the fact that Corporations will alwase have the gratist munny wich equals gratist powere. So any organizations formed will not be able to thoughrily protect there rights egenst the full wate of corporations. Corporations can get any lagislation past esily whitch will benifit them. A worker will have a lot harder time with this.
I believe that all people deserve basic fundamental rights. Humans have the right to live and choose how to live. The goverenment protects some rights, but not all. The government should be protecting a humans right to live freely. Every person deserves to be free. It is every persons right to live a free life. Living as an American, you were brought up believing that American was the land of oppertunity and freedom and that is the way it should be now.
after i read this long artical, it let me associate that the vulnerable groups rights often get hurt. although they are also protected by laws, sometimes the laws do not work anymore, because of the stronger goverment behind the laws, especially some bad goverment officers they use their rights to control some people's righst, and they are protected by the stronger goverment, as the vulnerable groups they can not do anyting. that's a really disappointed thing.
I do agree with this reading. Who is anyone to say that a person that their rights are limited or to be taken away. In a way thats just assiting in their death. Taking away food, water shelter is not moral. There are rights in our consitution that protects us. The rights to freedom of speech,food, water,shelter etc. No matter a persons race, age, ethnicity, or social status; these are our rights that we live for each day and look to improve on for our youth.
The author of the excerpt specifically got into the right to eat, sleep, and breathe but all people have these basic rights. Some people are born into poor homes or left homeless to survive on their own. She also hits on the point of contract and contract is a big deal when securing basic rights. Her basic right are more of the individuals freedom to do as please and I agree. If we the "poor slobs" are a big contribution to big corporations, they should not treat us like replaceable objects. We are humans too and just because we are not at the status of them, we are happy living life everyday knowing that we have a say and opinion in what goes on in our lives; thats my fundamental right!
In response to the questions,There are rights in our consitution that protects us. The rights to freedom of speech,food, water,shelter etc. The government provided this for us long ago. If they decided to take it away what sense will that make? None what so ever. There will be public outrage, disaster and caos.
According to article, " human life has intrinsic value beyond whatever economic goods or public goods an individual contributes to the world... most human societies throughout time, including modern times, grant these rights without question to children, elders, and (to varying degrees) many disabled persons...'the pursuit of happiness'" I also agree with the author and I think "the pursuit of happeiness" is the most important fundamental rights for human being. Because worhy or unworhy, all this kind of thing are made by human so money and happiness can not be counted on equal.
Not all people in the world have human rights but we all should. A good example is what is happening in Iran. In Iran homosexuals are being excuted just because they are gay. Me personally i am not a big fan of homosexuality but i think they should have the right to do whatever they want as long as it does not hurt any citizen or person in the country. Another example is what communist and totaltarian. This system of gorvernment denies the people of North Korea of all their rights which in my opinion is the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen or heard in my life. People living in this country are not allowed to watch television.People spend time in jail for taking photos of their leader's statue this in my opinion is not how any human being should live life.
"Humans, in this conception, have the right to breatheable air, food, drinkable water, the ability to bathe and void bladder and bowel in a sanitary manner, access to preventative, maintenance, and emergency health care, and a right to housing and body coverings that protect them from the elements. Further, humans have a right to live unmolested by violent and chaotic environments, and to be educated to the standards of their societies. Finally humans have the right to engage in alliances with other humans for mutual benefit , mate and have offspring or choose not to."
I believe this quoted text from the article best answers the first of your questions.Although my answer wasn't as well explained, I decided to quote it from the text. It is well explained and I believe that we all have these rights.
"The libertarian stance is that at this point (at least) there is no responsibility of society (in the form of government, even self-selected governments) to ensure these rights, as employment contracts stand on their own to support these rights, and anyone who is not willing (or able) to work forfeits these rights so long as "unable" doesn't include a definition of long term disability."
Through the libertarian's perspective, the government hasn't ensured any of these rights, but i think otherwise. Like I said, in a way, the government DOES ensure these rights, but in a way, it also does NOT because the government doesn't really care how much an individual gets paid as long as they have a job. Like the article said "Unions to some extent, when powerful, can mitigate this coercion and create a much more just power structure between employer and employee. ", people form unions to help ensure these rights better because people in a group fighting for the same thing have more power than an individual him or herself.
"Furthermore, the libertarian stance is that there is no responsibility of an employer to guarantee wages and/or benefits sufficient for the employee to be able to obtain these positive rights in the unfettered market, even when the employee works "full time" or even more than full time."
Since individuals are bind to contracts in their work place, they don't have much of a choice in what they want after that contract is signed. I believe that if the employee doesn't want to work at a certain place, they should be able to not sign the contract. If the contract was signed, then the employee should have the right to leave from that job.
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